Examination of Israel Youngs taken by Alderman Waddell, Henry Dawkins further examined at his request

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In the Congress Chamber of the City-Hall of New-York,
Die Mercurii, 10 ho˙ A˙ M˙, May 15, 1776.

The following gentlemen met pursuant to adjournment:

FOR NEW-YORK. — Mr˙ Bancker, Mr˙ Stoutenburgh, Captain Denning, Mr˙ P˙ Van Zandt, Mr˙ Scott, Mr˙ Alsop.

FOR ALBANY. — Mr˙ Cuyler, Mr˙ Glenn.

FOR DUTCHESS. — Mr˙ Paul Schenck.

FOR QUEEN' S. — Colonel Blackwell, Mr˙ Lawrence.

FOR RICHMOND. — Mr˙ Journey, Mr˙ Conner.

FOR SUFFOLK. — General Woodhull, Captain Wickham.

FOR WESTCHESTER. — Mr˙ Paulding, Mr˙ G˙ Morris.

FOR KING' S. — Mr˙ Leffertse, Colonel Van Brunt, Mr˙ Polhemus, Mr˙ Covenhoven.

FOR CHARLOTTE. — Mr˙ Alexander Webster.

Mr˙ Alderman Brasher being much indisposed, Mr˙ Alderman Waddell, on request, attended; and Israel Youngs was examined before Mr˙ Alderman Waddell, and his examination, by him subscribed in the presence of Mr˙ Waddell, is as follows:

City of NEW-YORK, ss:

Israel Youngs, of Cold-Spring, in the Township of Huntington, in Suffolk County, being examined, says: That he never applied to any person to cut any plates for him to print or impress money; that Henry Dawkins lodged in his chamber when at his house; that he does not know that Dawkins cut any plates while he was there; that he took Dawkins to his house at Dawkins' s request; that he visited Dawkins a few limes while he was in New-York Jail; that he never lent any money to Dawkins; that he first knew Dawkins in New-YorkJail; that he never applied to Dawkins for any work but to cut a seal; that he took up a rolling-press from a person named Woolhaupter, as he thinks, to his house, at Dawkins' s request; that the letter to procure the rolling-press Dawkins gave him; that when it was opened by Woolhaupter, it was written in the name of one Cox, to the best of his remembrance; that he (the examinant) then had some suspicion that Dawkins was about to print something which he ought not; that Townshend Hulet, when at his house, used to sleep in the same room with Dawkins; that his wife usually carries the keys of a large blue chest in his house; that he knows nothing of a two Dollar bill or any plate taken out of a chest of drawers in his house; that Dawkins mentioned to him that money might be struck if paper could be got; that he told Dawkins it was most probable that, if to be got, it must be in Pennsylvania, and that Isaac Ketcham was going there, and would be as likely as any person to get it, or words to that effect; that he (the examinant) spoke to Isaac Ketcham about paper, and told

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him what Dawkins said; that Ketcham said he did not think it could be procured; that he spoke to Levi Lott at Raritan, and informed him that a person had told him money could be made, and inquired of him whether paper could be obtained; that Lott told him he thought paper could not be obtained; that he saw Lott at his neighbour' s house; that he applied to Lott about paper because he had heard that his brother had a Paper-Mill; that he purchased some sheets of large paper in New-York, and a parcel of colours of one Duyckinck, for Dawkins to make a draft for him (the examinant;) that Isaac Ketcham, since his return from Philadelphia, desired him to tell Dawkins that he thought the paper he wanted could not be got; that he does not recollect to have ever seen Henry Dawkins sign or attempt to sign a bill or counterfeit bill of Connecticut money; that his only motive or inducement to inquire about paper was to oblige Dawkins, who lived at his house; that the only subject on which he (this examinant) was to have written to Levi Lott was on account of some wheat, and that he never wrote the letter; that he does not know that he sent any message to Levi Lott by Isaac Ketcham; that it was only about wheat if he sent any message; that he has a Connecticut bill which he supposes to be a counterfeit; that it is in his pocket-book; that he showed it to a boatman and some butchers; that he was looking over his money when he discovered it; that he did not ever offer to pay it away; that he had another bill at home which was refused some time ago as bad, because it looked greasy and dirty; that the last-mentioned was a forty Shilling Connecticut bill; that he has never seen any Massachusetts bills unsigned; that he once went up to his chamber, and there saw a Connecticut bill unsigned on one of the beds; that it appeared to be a forty Shilling bill; that he does not know how it came there; that he left the bill there, and never inquired about it; that he did not suspect that Dawkins had made any of any other sort; that the rolling-press was set in the garret as being the most convenient place for it.

ISRAEL YOUNGS.

Taken this 15th day of May, 1776, before me:

WILLIAM WADDELL, Alderman.

In the Congress Chamber in the City-Hall of New-York.
Die Mercurii, 4to ho˙ P˙ M˙, May 15, 1776.

The following gentlemen met pursuant to adjournment:

FOR NEW-YORK. — Mr˙ Evert Bancker, Mr˙ Scott, Major Van Zandt, Colonel Remsen, Colonel Stoutenburgh, Captain Denning, Mr˙ Beekman.

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FOR ALBANY. — Mr˙ Cuyler, Mr˙ Glenn.

FOR SUFFOLK. — General Woodhull, Mr˙ Wickham.

FOR DUTCHESS.- — Mr˙ Paul Schenck.

FOR QUEEN' S. — Colonel Blackwett, Captain Lawrence.

FOR WESTCHESTER. — Mr˙ Morris, Major Lockwood, Colonel Gilbert Drake, Mr˙ Paulding.

FOR CHARLOTTE. — Mr˙ Webster.

FOR RICHMOND. — Mr˙ Journey, Mr˙ Conner.

FOR KING' S. — Mr˙ Covenhoven, Mr˙ Leffertse, Mr˙ Polhemus.

Mr˙ Alderman Waddell attended, agreeable to request of the gentlemen present in the morning. James Parsons, of the City of New-York, Merchant, by request attended and produced a pocket-book of Israel Youngs, sealed up with different seals, impressed by the seal of the said Israel Youngs. The said Israel, being brought in and the said pocket-book shown to him, declared that he was satisfied that it had not been opened since he sealed it. It was then opened in his presence, and the money therein contained counted in his presence, and put up in lists. But of that book, in presence of the said Israel Youngs, was retained two bills of forty-two Shillings Massachusetts, one of them much blued; also two bills of Connecticut, forty Shillings each; one of them the said Israel Youngs says he supposes to be bad; that he discovered it lately; received it, as he supposes, from some person from the eastward. These bills were retained by Mr˙ McKesson, by order of the gentlemen present. All those transactions were in the presence of Alderman Waddell.

Isaac Ketchum sent in a request that he might be again heard. He was brought in, and his further declaration taken, in the presence of Mr˙ Waddell, at the end of his former examinations herein before contained.

Henry Dawkins sent in a request to the Council that he might be again called before them and examined. He was accordingly brought in, and examined before Mr˙ Alderman Waddell, and his Examination, by him subscribed hereafter, follows, to wit:

City of NEW-YORK, ss:

Henry Dawkins, late of the City of New-York, Engraver, being examined in the presence of William Waddell, Esq˙, Alderman of the North Ward of the said City, and one of the Justices of the Peace for the City and County of New-York, says: That a Bill of Credit of the Colony of Massachusetts-Bay, now produced to him, dated the 7th day of December, 1775, of the value of forty-two Shillings, lawful money, numbered 4354, signed G˙ Wheeler and Thomas Rice, is a bill which he formerly received of Israel Youngs, of Huntington, as a pattern to cut a plate to imitate the said bill and to make bills of the same denomination; that the said bill above-mentioned is yet stained with Prussian blue, which the examinant put thereon in order to obtain the imitation of the bill on a plate; that the said bill is yet smooth from the examinant having rubbed it on a plate with a burnisher; that after he (this examinant) had engraved the plate intended to print such bills, he delivered the said bill and the plate to the said Israel Youngs. The said examinant further says that a bill now produced to him, in form of a Connecticut bill, of forty Shillings, lawful money, dated May 10, 1775, and numbered 12,486, and appearing to be signed William Puthur, Thomas Seymour, Jesse Root, is a bill which he made for the said Israel Youngs, at his request, on a plate which he (the examinant) cut for the said Youngs; that it is one of the first twelve bills which the examinant rubbed off the said plate with a burnisher, before the said Youngs obtained a rolling-press; that before any bills were rolled with the press he corrected the plate by making the two small crosses after the asterism and before the obelisk to join together, which they do not in this bill; that this bill is one of the best which was rubbed off with the burnisher; that he saw the said Israel Youngs sign four of those bills; that he signed with red ink made of carmine; that he believes the bill now produced to be one of those which he saw signed with the signers' names by the said Israel Youngs; that he knows it to be one of the bills rubbed off with a burnisher by the hardness of the paper and its smoothness, and from the light colour of the bunches of grapes, which was afterwards corrected in the plate.

HENRY DAWKINS.

Taken and examined this 15th day of May, 1776, before me:

WILLIAM WADDELL, Alderman.

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* Isaac Youngs, examined, says: That he did suspect that Dawkins was making money; that his brother Israel once told him that Dawkins said he could make money; that he then told his brother that he would not pass any of it or countenance it; that his brother said the same; that one day saw Dawkins have a piece of copper in his hand, but never saw him engraving; that he (the examinant) knew nothing of the rolling-press until it was found by Captain Wool and his party.

Philip Youngs, being examined, says: That Dawkins was mostly employed in drawing pictures for children; that he does not know that Brown printed any bills for any person; that he asked Brown whether he could not print a little Congress money; that Brown said he could if he had a press, but looked on it to be a great sin; that he inquired what a press would cost; that Brown said about thirty or forty pounds; that Brown said he could not cut the plates; that he (the examinant) said if Dawkins could cut the plates he could not print the bills; that the examinant did tell Brown to consider of it and say nothing about the affair; that all this was merely to try Brown, as he had suspected him because he was a printer, and Dawkins had said he could cut the plates to make any money; that his father owns one quarter of the mills, and Israel Youngs and Isaac Youngs each a quarter, and John Hulet a fourth part.

Israel Youngs, being examined, says: That he never had any hand in counterfeiting money; that he suspected Henry Dawkins was about counterfeiting money, first, because he sent by him to New-York for a rolling-press, and, second, because he once found a bill in the chamber lying in a bed unsigned; that it was a forty Shilling Connecticut bill; that he never asked Dawkins any questions about it; that Dawkins paid him the most part of the money which became due for his boarding in Continental money, and boarded with him near two months: that he never saw him engraving; that he was frequently drawing pictures; that he (the examinant) offered one forty Shilling bill in payment to a woman in New-York for some tea, which she suspected, and which he took home again; that he does not know of whom he received that bill; that the door leading to the stairs to go where the press was put was made before he knew the house; that the stairs were there also before he came to that house. The letter Henry Dawkins sent for the press was signed by the name of Cox; that he (the examinant) did not inform Woolhaupter that the person who wrote the letter was not named Cox; that Dawkins sent forty shillings for the press, which the examinant then paid, and when he received the press paid the residue; that the press cost eleven pounds twelve shillings; that Dawkins has not repaid him what he advanced for the press.